The more I watch Savage Geese (Edit) 

"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-) 08/30/2017 at 23:12 • Filed to: None

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The more disillusioned I become about modern turbocharged cars.

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Just finished watching the 2002 WRX review. I think it’s weird it has a less rigid chassis, but softer springs (It has STI springs and dampers.) I though one of the benefits of a stiffer chassis was that you could have softer spring rates and have the same amount of grip and that on older cars the springs were stiffer to make up for the weak chassises.

TheHondaBro > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time 08/30/2017 at 23:22

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Savagegeese is probably one of the most underrated car reviewers on YouTube.

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > TheHondaBro 08/30/2017 at 23:27

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Yeah, in the comments their were a couple of Subie techs saying they were impressed he picked up on it. Apparently no one else has.

Although he’s caught that in a few other cars. Like the Abarth 500 and a couple others I can’t think of at the moment.

I also loved when he brought up that the Giula has tires with a treadwear of 40 lol.

RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time 08/30/2017 at 23:46

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So people have been asking for a BRZ with the FA20DIT ... should they be?

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire 08/30/2017 at 23:47

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Not to mention when they do all the supporting upgrades to handle the power. It’ll no longer be cheap.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time 08/30/2017 at 23:59

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Dude is underrated, I like his content. Especially Turbowski since he shits on every car. 

DipodomysDeserti > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time 08/31/2017 at 00:35

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As someone who has tuned a modern WRX, I find what he’s saying pretty silly.

First he says it is pulling timing (without actually data logging the car), but then he says it really pulls through the whole RPM range. If you’re pulling enough timing to notice, then the car is running like shit.

I know nothing about this guy, but as someone who turbo swapped and tuned their own wrx and has owned four different turbocharged cars from three different manufacturers, he sounds like he’s talking out of his ass.

To say a factory tune is pulling timing a bit kind of a “no shit” statement. They tune them extremely conservatively so no one burns a piston driving their car like a maniac on crappy gas. To say you can feel it pulling timing, and then say is pulls hard through the rev range is nonsensical. Modern NA cars run very hot nowadays in order to save on fuel, so you’ll probably see conservative tunes on them as well. You’d have to actually data log the cars to say one pulls timing and one doesn’t, as there a lot factirs involved in perceived power output.

I drive a turbocharged BMW hundreds of miles a day in 110F temps and any timing it pulls is imperceptible, and that’s running shitty 89 AZ gas on a factory tune.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time 08/31/2017 at 08:16

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This makes me want he WRX more...

uofime-2 > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time 08/31/2017 at 10:41

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Stiffer chassis means you can use stiffer springs.

If you put stiff springs on a car that has a flexible chassis, the chassis becomes the spring. The “chassis spring” is of course non linear and undamped, which is another way of saying the car will feel and handle like hot garbage no matter what you do.

The ratio of your wheel rate to the torsional rigidity of your chassis is correlated to what is called the %tune-ability of your system.

When you build a race car you know (or at least have a good idea) what your wheel rates will typically need to be for the final vehicle’s performance target. With that you’ll shoot for something like 95% tunability which will give you a torsional rigidity target to design your chassis for. That is important because you can of course create an incredibly rigid chassis, but the trade off is weight. With this information you can optimize your chassis by designing the lightest possible chassis that still meets your %tunability targets.

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 08/31/2017 at 11:36

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An ‘02? :]